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Stephen Davies

Bizarre. If there's a way to rub up an all ready angry community this might be it.

David Brain

We have one on Northcote Road in Clapham near where I live. They sell horrible clothes to my eyes, but why the outcry? I have also wondered that if we replace the free capitalist model (ie, they can pay the rent and the landlord rents them the space) for this sort of thing, what do we replace it with? Voting on the forum you linked to? Winner gets the space? Or else who decides? When does local activism become nimbyism?

Amelia Torode

For me it is just that it is totally useless, but what I do hope is that simple laws of market economies win and that if people really don't want it there, then they won't shop there, then it won't make money and then another shop might take its place.

We'll see....

It'll probably be packed with mums and buggies on the opening weekend!!

Francois

David - completely agree with you on the principle - funny thing is that in Marylebone High Street where A and I used to live, most of the real estate (retail + residential) is controlled by the De Walden family and they have been very smart in refusing high rent paying franchises (say Mc Donald etc) to establish themselves in the high street. Doing so they were able to maintain a huge appeal for residential tenants/leaseholders and they basically got their money back cause everybody wants to live there. When the ownership is very fragmented (like it is the case on Lorsdhip Lane) - it is more difficult to maintain this village atmosphere.

David Brain

Francois that is a very good point I guess if the dictator is benevolent, but what if they like the kind of stores you don't or don't find useful? I guess your point is that you chose to live in that area BECAUSE of the stores and the vibe they give. It is very difficult this one . . . but you are right, horrible clothes.

TomLR

Why do you think that White Stuff shop is totally out of keeping with the area, Amelia ?

I would have thought that they've done their research pretty well and found a suitable demographic there.

And from memory - I kind of agree with them.

Amelia

East Dulwich has the same vibe and demographic as Stoke Newington, Muswell Hill, Crouch End - it is off the tube map, feels village-y (albeit an urban village) and sort of prides itself on not being an identikit High Street type of place. It is quite right on, Guardian reading, into local stores, one off shops and community initiatives.

But to my mind as a Planner who does a lot of research, this is a case of mis-reading demographic data, or rather failing to dig further than the raw numbers into the more qual aspect of personality.

On a demographic level, this shop should work. I'll let you know, they are still building at the moment!
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TomLR

Anyway Amelia - as the weather gets colder you'll be needing all those upturned collars to keep your ears warm.

I agree the sign is ill-conceived in this context 'though. Thing global, act global.

Amelia

You're probably right. I think that honestly it is just the fine folks of East Dulwich do not want their area turning into the next Clapham (White Stuff embodying this)

diane stafford

It's just a clothes shop, not in itself a global capitalist conspiracy. We've got everything else we could possiby need in East Dulwich - including a ridiculous number of overpriced kitsch/designer knick-knack shops - so why not? People need clothes.

The White Stuff poster was clearly a joke - I think they know their market all too well!


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